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Why is it so difficult to recruit doctors to Vermont?

It’s hard not to be aware of the shortages of physicians in Bennington.  Our recent struggles to sustain pediatric call coverage and the consequent problems in delivering obstetric care highlight how the physician shortage has affected us dramatically in our hometown.  So what’s the deal?  Why don’t doctors want to come to such a beautiful place as Vermont to practice?

There are a number of reasons. Vermont is a beautiful place, with a sense of community, superb education, abundant recreational opportunities, and a health-care system that is both low cost and high quality.  While I am biased, I believe the quality of life in small communities in Vermont offers much of what many Americans think of as core values.

The problems for physicians are largely economic.  This is a hard topic for doctors to talk about, because in comparison we remain affluent members of society. However, the actual earning capacity of doctors has been declining for over a decade.  At the same time, the indebtedness of graduating physicians has climbed to an average over $180,000.  Physicians also do not begin earning any income until they are 30-35 years of age.

We are now in an era of physician shortage. That means doctors can choose an area to work where they can repay their debt quickly and practice in a supportive environment of colleagues and hospitals that are up-to-date and have modern technology to support the practice of medicine. Vermont has lost its competitiveness on the national scene. Government payments in Vermont for Medicare and Medicaid are extremely low, making the practice environment here much less appealing than in other states. New physicians can settle in most other states and repay their debt more rapidly, enjoying a better lifestyle than they could obtain in Vermont.

The national shortage of physicians is due to extremely poor planning in the 1990s.  The baby boomers ironically contain the bulk of practicing physicians, and will shortly be the source of retiring physicians, and a huge group of patients needing care.  Current estimates state that America will be 200,000 doctors short by 2020.  

Hospitals, health systems, and communities in Vermont cannot survive without a steady supply of new and well-trained doctors.  In many communities, the local hospital has begun employing physicians so they can keep critical local services available.  Small hospitals are also struggling economically, but they will reorganize their economic priorities because they will fail faster without an adequate doctor supply to use their facilities. In the long run, rural communities like those in Vermont will only see this problem resolved when payment methodologies driven by the federal government change.

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July 16. 2007 10:59

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Poor, poor physicians. They have high college debt and think they need to make BIG money fast to pay their loans. Get a grip on reality. College for everyone is high. It took me 8 years to pay off my college loans and I did it with a nominal paying job. The problem with physicians is they want to make big money, work small hours and be treated like Gods. I'd like to see how many physicians would practice medicine if they had to drive a Hyundai and live in a double wide mobile home. Quit whining and be grateful for what you have. If it's all about money go to law school and sue physicians that are horrific and are in it just for the money. Society is sick of hearing you complain.

randy




July 16. 2007 11:20

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Mark is not complaining that doctors are paid poorly. He admist that they are "affluent."

The point is that economics are at work here. Rural hospitals can't recruit doctors because they can make more money elsewhere. <b>No matter what your job is and how much you make, people still evaluate jobs based on how much they pay.<b>

So you can gripe about doctor pay and say docs need to get a grip on reality, but the reality is in Vermont, doctors salaries are lower than they are elsewhere. Who can blame someone for taking a higher paying job?

Maybe doctors are paid too much. But paying them less will not help hospitals recruit the doctors they need to meet community need.

Kevin




July 16. 2007 13:14

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I can't relate. Having lived in turns in the big city, metro suburbs, and truly remote rural areas, my wife and I chose the Bennington area as the best of all worlds: outside the east coast megalopolis, but still within a day trip of Boston, New York, Montreal, and everywhere in between. I know I could make more money in the city, but I would also pay more for housing and transportation. To me, the appeal of the area is obvious!

Scott




July 16. 2007 13:52

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The bottom line Kevin is that individuals go to school to become physicians to make money. If Vermont doesn't pay them enough then they can go somewhere else to practice. When the U.S. smartens up and introduces socialized medicine physicians will find their income will be regulated and they won't be able to pick and choose the patients they get to treat and where they can practice medicine to make the most money. They will have to treat the poor and the wealthy with the same standards. What a shock that will be to their system.

And, I don't buy the fact that SVHC has a hard time recruiting physicians just because of economics. There's a lot more to it than that but the uppity ups of this hospital haven't adequately responded to the REAL problems.

randy




July 16. 2007 15:03

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Kevin is absolutely correct. The reality is most healthcare professionals, not only physicians, are paid less in Vermont as compared to other areas of the country.

SVMC has the additional disadvantage of being closely located to several larger population areas containing hospitals with higher rates of reimbursement and remuneration. This senario allows a physician the advantage of living in or around this beautiful area while earning a larger salary by commuting a rather short distance.

Also remember that many of our physicians are in private practice and support the livelyhood of their employees which in turn adds positively to the local economy.

Tom




July 17. 2007 08:31

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Randy takes a pretty cynical view of doctors. I don't share it. I'm sure some doctors are like that, but I know many who are not. A few of my friends are doctors. They are all extremely bright and likely could have had their choice of careers. The ones in private practice regularly work 60+ hours a week. None of them went into medicine to make a lot of money. And on the scale of things they don't. They make more than many people (including me) but nowhere near what stock brokers or even some local small business people make. (Many airline pilots make more than doctors.) My friends could have made a lot more by choosing another career. Is it wrong for them to want to be paid similarly to their counterparts in other states? I don't think so.

There are lots of reasons that socialized medicine may make sense for this country. But that doesn’t help us solve the present problem of a physician shortage. If physicians are only in it for the money, then socialized medicine would make the problem worse by ratcheting down on income.

I'm certain that lower incomes play a huge role in recruitment. Medical school debt can be equal to a second mortgage. So yeah, people will sacrifice some pay to live in a nice place, but frankly there are places just as nice that pay doctors more.

It's easy to blame recruitment problems on vague, undefined problems in SVHC administration. It takes more guts to talk directly with the administration and help them understand what needs to be fixed. For the health system to continue to be successful, everyone affiliated with SVHC has to own what we do. People who see a problem and do nothing to correct it are shirking their part in the team.

At the end of the day, the health system's success depends on everyone's commitment to seeing the problem, owning it, taking the risks to solve it, and doing what we say we'll do. That means all of us from bedside caregivers to engineering, environmental services, public relations, HR, the vice presidents, Harvey, and physicians, the board. The health system's success is not just the CEO's deal, it's our deal. We all have a stake in it.

Kevin




July 17. 2007 13:36

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Kevin and Tom will be sitting here years from now with SVM administrators and physicians lamenting on how physicians can't be recruited and what needs to be done. They are well aware of what needs to be done to solve the problem but are unwilling to accept it.

Kevin, I'd be glad to talk to administrators about the problem, but they don't want to listen.

Maybe Tom and especially Kevin (he has friends that are doctors....) can come up with a solution to solve the physician shortage. They apparantly don't think anyone else's opinion is worth as much as theirs.

randy




July 17. 2007 14:11

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I don't work in physician recruiting, and I don't profess to have the answers. I think a real discussion is worthing having anyway.

Randy isn't addressing the issue. He says the adminstration doesn't want to listen to his solution. BUT he doesn't say how or when he tried to voice his concerns. Nor does he propose any solution to the problem other than socialized medicine.

I'm not trying to dismiss anyone's opinion. I'm just asking "where's the beef?" If he's got a solution, let's hear it.

Kevin Robinson




July 17. 2007 22:35

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Anybody who thinks that doctors have it easy, or become doctors to make money don't have all the facts. Many doctors work 60-80 or even 100 hours per week. They get to spend less time with their families than most people do. They work nights, weekends and holidays. Their malpractice insurance costs more per year than most above average salaries.
The reality is most doctors chose to practice medicine to contribute to society and out of compassion for their fellow man. It's not easy to hold a life in your hand. Doing all you can, and still sometimes people die. Who tells the deceased persons family? Who comforts the distraught family members?
Despite the resposnsibility, debt, insurance, cost of equipment and supplies, Medicare, Medicaid and most insurance companies pay less that what is billed, and often times less than what a service costs to provide.
It's not my idea of a glamorous, cushy high paying job.
Greg Matteson

Greg Matteson




July 19. 2007 15:54

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I do not recall suggesting that any persons opinion was worth less than mine Randy. I just don't happen to fully agree with your position on socialized medicine or your universal disdain for physicians.

Perhaps Ice T said it best: Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Tom




July 22. 2007 16:25

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Wow, I went away on vacation for a week and this blog entry certainly prompted some lively dialogue. Great! That's the whole point of this medium.

Randy is acutely aware of the wealth disparities in our society and apparently feels that physicians are part of the problem. Kevin and Tom and Greg have provided some helpful insights into their view of the physician recruitment issue. Scott points out that other professionals choose a lower salary to live in Vermont, in return for the other benefits he describes well.

Perhaps it helps to look at the value equation. Society, through a number of bizarre and often unfair market forces, values different service through means that include money, recognition, and trust. As a practicing physician, I value the recognition and trust greatly. People will share things with physicians that they might not even share with their family. That trust is an honor to manage for the patient and his utilize to help come to the best diagnosis and treatment possible. Is there more value to having health care providers than movie stars and sports figures? Other business folks in Vermont make salaries like doctors, and contribute to their comunities. Is that fair?

What happened to recruiting and pay for doctors in Vermont is really an extension of the issues above over what I considered to be a "tipping point". For many many years, Vermont physicians readily accepted lower pay than their colleagues in other states because of the very factors we agree upon being present in Vermont. When they find that they are no longer able to reliably replace themselves for their communities, or add help to their practice for the growth in need in the community, they become concerned. While it is easy to see this as greed, in my discussions with physicians in this position, is a question of pragmatics to sustain the service they have been providing in their communities.

Randy vaguely refers to another solution such as "socialized" medicine. I'd be interested in hearing more about his view. Most doctors I know would favor a single payment system, because it would simplify their administrative burden, and reduce their costs. This would allow society to spend more of the insurance premium (or government payment) on actual care for the patient, rather than administrative hassles requiring staff, computers, and time.

Vermont is not likely to be able solve this problem on its own, however, because we are so small, and doctors have the ability to move to other places if Vermont's solution were too different from how doctors are paid elsewhere. Done well, healthcare payment reform could actually improve the attraction of a state like Vermont to physicians.

As with many solutions, the devil would be in the details.

Mark

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October 18. 2007 12:52

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I wish they would pay doctors a little more. I love my primary care doctor. He's young, hip and is aggressively up to date on the latest treatments. He was the first doctor I ever heard talk about HPV shots and one of the few male doctors who can talk openly about sexual health. But since he is young, bright and practicing rural medicine because it's his passion, I worry that one day I'll call for an appointment and he won't be there.

Kate



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